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Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Good morning guys. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. We'll push great photos to the front page. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Caller: I have yeah. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. brings a lot of. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. Here it is. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. Peter Biello: Yeah. Thank you very much for listening. So one thing I'll add. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. It's you know I recognized their report and. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. Do cougars live in New England? I think that you probably are. Right. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . Fish and Game then deny the evidence. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Just. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy And why would they what. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. 44-H Links. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Tell us your story. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. John thanks. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. No doubt in my mind it was. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. There's no attraction. So what those ranges. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Think you've seen a mountain lion. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Mountain lion or cat running across. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Have you seen one. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. The brother and sister big cats have lived . Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. So they're scary. Mountain Lions in NH. Your support makes this news available to everyone. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. New Hampshire Public Radio | Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. So there's even debate about that very subject. So give us a call now. On a dirt road. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. Thank you very much for being here. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. They kill big animals. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. 1957. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Pelosi story here we go. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. Right. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Peter Biello: Wow. Theres tracks everywhere. The report came in from a conservation officer. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. So it's there was no question in my mind. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. "Of those three to five reports,. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Caller: Hi. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Yes and you want to share what you learned. How far were you from this cat. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. Well they are the same. Post your sightings and NH photos here! He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. I mean it wasn't your idea. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. This is the exchange. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? New Hampshire Public Radio | 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Something along those lines. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Mountain lions live in the state. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. They don't know the direction they're going. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Let us know your story and share your photos! NHPR is nonprofit and independent. It's good to talk to you. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. Really appreciate it. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. www.wildlife.state.nh.us, Buy or Renew Your Saltwater Fishing License, Great Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. 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So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. No I saw a camel. Early in the morning. What do you think that. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Love hearing these stories. You don't know what's going on. Caller: Oh yeah. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. So. They were able to do all that by genetics. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. Caller: I do. Patrick Tate: Well. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Peter Biello: Hmm. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. 44-N Links. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Oh you saw him online. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . Like why would you want one wildlife. Patrick Tate: Yes. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. And it was unmistakable. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. 1,470 likes. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came.

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