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I have advised my friends to call and tell them they have four flashes and get the gas valve now whether or not it has died. upstairs. Or it occurs due to refrigerant leaking out through small holes in the piping. Honeywell surround heater won't keep running: JBI: 12/20/17 9:01 AM: I have a Honeywell small electric space "surrounding heat" heater that I use for zonal heating of a single room in the house. Note the LED flash sequence. 2500 West 4th Plain Blvd. You cannot find the old fashion w/heaters that you could lite and forget it. step by step please for dummies. What top left and right pins, can you show a picture. If you haven’t done it in a while, there’s a very good chance that it will help solve whatever’s going on. On all of the occasions that this happened I was able to reignite the pilot and get the heater going again simply by turning the valve controller to “off,” waiting ten to fifteen minutes, and then re-lighting the pilot following normal instructions. Find the right values for all of these on a sticker somewhere inside the HVAC unit. Also remove heat sensor to check possible problem, no issue. DO NOT buy a water heater from Lowes. Plus, you hear no humming at the furnace. So, check your oil and propane gas tanks. After about ten minutes the flashes changed back to the normal one flash operation. The valve is known to be defective and maybe they will help ? If so, check for and if necessary, restore power to the cooling system to restore the thermostat to working order. “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again…”. Wish I’d read deeper in the thread to try jumping the valve with wire. Proper leveling was essential for this tipping to happen correctly. Then, note the difference in reading between the thermometer and the thermostat reading. Remove cover, put wraps on the two posts and replace cover. (Held the pilot open manually for 10 minutes. It may take a minute or so before the heating element comes on; be patient. Although the majority on this thread are dealing with Whirlpool heaters and the infamous 4 flashes of death, my heater is a brand new Rheem, installed just a couple weeks ago. 5. I did that search but you Can Not find just the circuit board. Then plugged them in and lit pilot. The government mandates all this crap that fails! I’m pretty sure the temp is infinitely adjustable, the marks are there as a reference. 5: Wait for the status light to start to blink (Mine alternated between 4 blinks and 5 blinks). A vast number are available from Markel as well. You can now release the knob and the pilot should stay on. Tried disconnecting the old board for an hour. The seven blink disappeared shortly after that. Cheers. DO NOT BUY THIS THERMOSTAT! Thank you , thank you, thank you all in particular thank you David Boone. Is there a replacement gas valve that people have had success with? Rotate the knob to 9 o’clock to see if it will fire up on its own. The water heater would not work properly right out of the box. THIS METHOD WORKS!!! With the new unit, since it goes into the water tank itself, do you need to drain all the water from the tank before replacing it? King Electric Heating has over 500 replacement parts available. The heating and cooling subsystems often get power from separate circuit breakers. When that gets combined with another situation it can then escape the tight loop it appears to be in and in effect resets itself. Move the control to “Hot” and the Water Heater main burner should come on. Be sure the tank is flushed as much as possible. Pulled off the cover with the dial still on pilot position – the pilot light died and the light didn’t flash. I had issues let the unit sit and drain. A good business would be to offer a replacement board that has been restored for use to customers blessed with this hunk of junk! Ernie. my light is not blinking the pilot will light but the burner won’t come on so i called whirlpool; and they said i had on warranty as  we had stated on the warranty that we put it in the bathroom the heater is just now 3 years old,,, so i told her that it was not in the bathroom it was outside and that it had been installed in a shed that got storm damaged so we had to remove the shed and that my husband being 70 had had some medical issues and he had not been able to get the new shed over it but that had put a small cover around it but that wasn’t real worried about the warranty i just want to fix it. It takes a T-15 screwdriver to remove the cover. My install is brand new, so there is no connection to any sediment buildup causing any malfunction state. The days of replacing pilot burners with like-for-like products are over. I used sealant on all the piping going into the valve assembly however I used teflon tape for the screwing portion of the assembly that goes into the tank and touches water. Then I came down later when I felt the barely warm water. Thanks to the website and posters for saving me a lot of trouble. Have fun boys! The final straw while talking to Rheem tech support the main burner lit for 1 second, went out, and relit 2 seconds later. I had to pay $30 overnight shipping. The screw on the back of the control board is a Torx T-15 size. Thanks a bunch! You’re freaking awesome! I had the local utility company come check it and the inlet pressure was right on the money. I am so happy that the company replaced it for you. Do not bend the fins though, as they’re delicate. Well the “throw away ” attitude has caught up with water heaters. I did flush the system and I lowered the thermostat to between a and b. and it has been running fine for 2 days. Troubleshooting (just to make sure it wasn’t the thermal switch or something) I took the board only out of the new valve they sent and put it on there. detail describe please. Or, if your thermostat does not come off of the wall easily, cycle it at the breaker box. The new honeywell gas valve is completely electronic. Lastly, be VERY careful when ordering your replacement unit, in that one has a square COM plug with four pin slots. This time I turned to this forum. My wife thinks I’m brilliant. Because frost lowers airflow through the coil fins. Drain a few gallons, a little scale. Dirty air filters can restrict airflow though the HVAC unit and throughout the home. Plus, settling of wall studs can flex these wires that installers often fasten to them. The reverse could happen with the cooling system. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. As he indicated, YOU DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK! If you need to look at the back to see how the tabs are arranged, look at the new valve. New valve on the way from Whirlpool. I tried this simple solution you provided and it worked awesome. Had a 7 blinking light. I have another place with a Rheem Propane Tankless where the lowest normal setting is 100ºF. When I turn the dail on I IMMEDIATELY turn the dial all the way up to the highest setting and back to the lowest repeatedly–I did it 7 times in quick succession. 2. I took the battery idea and did a minor mod. Download manual. I tried taking off the cover, disconnecting everything, and letting it sit for 8 hours. By turning down your whole house thermostat a few degrees and heating just the room you are in, a portable heater can help you save money - giving you the right level of heat you need, where you need it. 7:Snap the cover back on and light the pilot light again. Whenthisbabyhits88mphYourgonnaseesomeseriousShit, http://www.midlandhardware.com/157481.html?gclid=CNjXnayo0b0CFROVfgodKgsA3A#.U0QkZfldV8E, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/14153292543/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946581980/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/14129889951/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946540277/, http://hometips.me/Mar/How-to-test-and-replace-Honeywell-gas-control-valve.pdf, https://www.flickr.com/photos/86570218@N06/17486404251, Home Tips: How Do I Remove A Stubborn Element From A Water Heater?. A link in your article would have been nice. Interestingly though, I tried this method two times and each time it didn’t appear to have worked as I continued to receive a 4 flash fault code. All stages in the heating system should work well. my brand new kenmore water heater has a weird smell coming from it, its not really a gas smell ,at least I don’t think it is ,anyways my question is.. Is it supposed to smell the first few days or should I b worried? Awesome articles you post on your blog, i have shared this article on my facebook. This is going to be huge. At Honeywell, we're transforming the way the world works, solving your business's toughest challenges. Called Whirlpool, got the run-around everyone else is getting, called a few plumbers who were all in the $150+/hour. Thank again. Try another gas appliance in your home, such as a water heater or stove. DB: Instructions are clear and hope to follow this to override the Honeywell piece of crap Gas Control Thermostat on my 2.5 year old 50gal tank. If your thermostat is connected to a furnace, check the furnace door. Well my tank is 15 months old and it is giving the 4 flash death sign, called everywhere for parts, can only get from Whirlpool and 3 days later. I did the trick with a AA battery and some cheap speaker wire. I did however, use the no battery option submitted by Cranky Tenants which is a little easier. The first continues the 4-blinks after multiple reset attempts. Removed the old cover and board and replaced it with the new one. If one uses a slow supply of hot water (like rinsing a lot of dishes), then the heater stays on making VERY hot water until it triggers a non-resetable error. So far, so good but was looking up things that could go wrong and found this page. I have not touched mine in any way, just been doing watchful observation until I have (and now do have) new valve in hand. Went from four blinks to seven. This may help all. The Temperature probe is a different design. NOTE: Only do this if you’re sure that the problem that caused the overheating has been corrected. I don’t know if I ever got the red lights flashing. The new gas valve arrived and after inspecting it I see they redesigned the probe that sets the 4 flash code with a stainless shield. Two plastic clips at the top are holding the cover on. Resetting the #$%@!! If I had found this earlier I would have saved the next day shipping and done the $10 one. The replacement valve I received also has a white sensor light instead of red, and it has a metal capped sensor instead of black plastic. Wish I’d had it before I Paid the 30.00 shipping for the new board. Still working after these few months? I received the new valve and noticed a few differences. Well, I am having issues again and think I may have just screwed myself…. I have to say that thhis is amazing. reattach the front cover with the wires still unplugged and light your pilot. Did the reset and got a replacement valve on the way. Sign in for price. In that case, pay your bill and get it back on, ASAP. If no updates – this worked for me. Now it is one-blinking again. No lights at all this time… I couldn’t even get it to do any lights when trying to light the pilot light. Turn your HVAC system off for a half hour to an hour. It’s not very complicated, really. Tried removing the cover, unplugging 3 wire plug, and then lighting pilot again. Thanks. Don’t take this for granted,  make sure you do your part of manufacturer’s suggested periodic maintenance such as tank drainage, Anode rod inspection, etc… to prevent future faults. I thought you might want to add this info to your “do-it-yourself” site. I got my first shower in after 2 days. I.E. Cheers very much, Tyler and y’all!! Yet your cooling system may be too small to cool your living space down to 72. This worked for me, and saved me some money and headaches. I removed the circuit board as you expanded. I saw some white crystals come out but not that bad. Perhaps others with faulty valves may have begun their collapse in a similar fashion, but were not noticed until the hot water turned cold… people don’t usually babysit a water heater. After spending a day shopping for a replacement – nowhere to be found for same day repair, and after 2 freezing cold morning showers, I followed DB’s instructions and voila! I don’t have faith in this product and may need your instructions at a later date. So thanks to commenters earlier, before, and above. Thanks for the above suggestions. READ THEIR INSTRUCTIONS A FEW TIMES OVER! I decided to try the “How to un-fault a controller” instructions above by David Boone as a first resort since it is easy to do. I don’t buy enough plumbing parts to make a vendor recommendation, thank god. Be sure to get the “Yellow” gas rated teflon tape and/or no. It lights easily, but won’t stay lit. Everything is good. Randy- you da man. Pull the three wire connector off the circuit board by pulling it straight out. (For me it was the the inlet gas pipe on the valve.) Especially, drain the sediment from the tank. He should clean out dust buildup inside. I pay for labor and after much debate they agreed to pay for parts. This changes to red flash code when there is an abnormal condition. Or, perhaps the installer stapled the cable with too much pressure or stapler misalignment, and punctured the cable. The clips stay on the wires. If it’s not too far out of level, try loosening the screws that hold it against the wall. Space heaters are little yet effective equipment that heats up only a particular area of your house or RV. I shorted the 2 pins on top of the module base for maybe 30 seconds. I had the “four blink” Water too hot issue. No, No, No! free! Again, if it does not, this may be what’s causing your Honeywell thermostat not reaching set temperature issue. Pilot light will come on but wont stay on after releasing the button. Draining your tank yearly may have prevented this but who the hell does that. Well, either because their valves are starting to leak. The later version has a board-edge trace for accepting another type of slip-on connector. This may be rather new as Honeywell does not even have a WV8840C listed yet (or it may be an OEM spec valve which is proprietary and not published. Plus the cost of the above repairs. In case you haven’t seen one before, it’s called a “flat-bladed screwdriver.”. I did the same thing but it immediately returned to four flashes. Depending on your levels of finger strength and determination, you might need the screwdriver to depress the tabs. I completely drained the tank and had a little sediment, not much since I have a whole house filter on the incoming supply. Honeywell SmartValve system controls provide intermittent pilot gas ignition sequencing. You will need two clip leads about 2 feet long each(like from Radio Shack – I used a black lead for negative (-) and red lead for positive(+)) and be able to clip onto a 1.5 volt battery (I used a weak rechargeable battery with tabs ( you only need about .5 volt DC actually). NOTE: the 7-flash error seemed to last for quite awhile but eventually went to a normal single flash. Ill let you know how it worked out. * honeywell gas valve water, Executive summary: detected “water hot” event, gas valve work — reset . The customer service representative explained to me that I needed a new Gas Valve and that if there was a store around me that had the Gas Valve, I could buy there (Menards, etc.) WV4262E1107 it has a much larger board and connects a bit different. Put the cover back on temporarily with the connector still disconnected. I had a failing honeywell on my AOS smith water heater this morning. I’ve been keeping an eye on the heater ever since installing, so I was able to notice this. My unit was only 3 years old! Connect the RED and WHITE power wires back on the two connections on the circuit board. detected.” That doesn’t sound to me like a physical problem with the valve’s connection to the gas line, so I see no reason the Frankenvalve operation wouldn’t work here also. Something to consider. Honeywell Heater User Manuals Download ManualsLib has more than 136 Honeywell Heater manuals . Thank you thank you! A realistic temperature is one that your HVAC system can deliver. -thanks. I’m not certain it works in all cases, but if it does, you’re all set to go. Everything else worked as previously described. Most others had it for from $200.00. It was enough “hot” for a fairly comfortable shower actually. A few days ago I noticed that the combustion was very loud, like the flame was pulsating or something (I didn’t know I had a pulsejet at home). Brilliant!!! While you have the old valve out, be sure to probe inside to see if you have gunk/sediment and/or crystals/salts. * Honeywell Gas Valve on a Water … […]. They didn’t ask any questions or ask for the old one to be returned. They are used in many types of gas-fired heating appliances like central furnaces, residential boilers, cooking appliances for commercial applications and heaters. Doing this power cycles the thermostat as well, and thus, reboots it. He removed the cover but did not remove any wires (he fixed it very quickly). Any ideas? Its two pins go through the board. I did put a piece of electrical tape near the end of the ground wire given my tendency to reverse things. Cold water for 3 days in winter. What is the easiest way to mimic the thermopile 750 milli volt so I can get the brains working without the pilot on. Heater is only 7 months old. This suggests that the burner was on for a long time but just couldn’t heat the water enough to satisfy the thermostat. you will get a 7 flash error. Since the old value was working again I just left it in there. Getting some hugs and kisses from the wife. Thank you all for your help. I was told that you can use the yellow teflon and sealant for gas and water, but the water products do not work on gas. light the pilot and you still get the 7 flashes; however the water heater kicks back on and gets back up to temperature and shuts off as normal and you will see that your light now only flashes 1 time every 3 or 4 seconds. I will now start flushing sediment every quarter instead of annually. This worked well. Press down on the plastic cover in front of the clips to release them. Of Course I am here because I got a call from my mother in-law that they had no hot water on the their brand new Water Heater. Calibrate your thermostat on those models that allow this. THANKS & GOD BLESS. I think you could reset the controller by taking off the two leads to the thermocouple and short the two connecter tabs on the bottom right of the controller together for a couple of minutes. Thanks again to all…. DB….THANK YOU kind sir for sharing this! Does anybody know of an other brand that could replace this crap of a unit? in about 3 years. He said do not put the setting any higher than the HOT setting. Nope! I have gone through several failures with this type of water heater (with the Hon. At just 3 months old the second unit failed! Add To Cart. My old controller has a red blinking LED that I can reset. It’s definitely a hassle rigging up the battery setup, but I cannot complain with the results. Thus, the HVAC works harder to bring the house to the set temperature. Top left is a small dot and top right is a post. are completely repairable with over 5,000 replacement parts listed on our website. This seems like a part that needs to be recalled and a Class Action Lawsuit filed. I would like to pursue the same solution (get a replacement). If it’s working, then you have gas. This procedure worked like a charm. Land lord got a hot water heater last week because my old one was leaking. It was very difficult to flush out and I ended removing it by use of a shop-vac and small hose modified to get through the valve hole. Holy Shite….I’m at the end of my gas heater nightmare with one thing left to do…replace the whole valve and i’m back and running…was researching whether to do it myself, then ran into this article about the dreaded four flashes…already had the valve, and presto, in 10 minutes I had a working water heater…I love the Internet…and Tyler, you are my new hero. Often there’s one circuit breaker that feeds the furnace itself, and another that delivers power to the outside unit. I would like to add my experience with this hoping it may shed some light. The cover on the Water Heater’s gas valve is removed by a single flat head screw at the bottom. ~ diy-home-projects.vwx.info. And everybody wonders why plumbers charge what they do. It’s the one design that can be used on nearly any Honeywell pilot burner you’ll encounter. The result: Make sure all the wires are connected, turn on the gas and follow the steps in your water heater owner’s manual to relight the pilot light. I was reading how you guys help one another and just thought AWESOME! In particular, if you haven’t drained the sediment off the bottom of the tank, do that first. Good info here, had 4 flashes, remove white valve cover after lighting pilot, place a jumper wire across two posts that were right side top , pilot quit, waited, relit pilot, turn gas control to low, main burner lit. How long does the pilot need to be held on for the thermopile to get to operational mode. So I’m going to drain the tank and replace the valve tomorrow as planned and call them and see how soon they can get me yet another unit. But I just wanted to confirm – is there no way to reset the 4 blink code for a newer, white light, unit? At least then I’ll have a stockpile when the water heater is out of warranty. They require that a service technician come to check it out out first for a charge of $95.00. So I called and paid the $30 to get a new one delivered the day after Christmas. Still working so far. It installed easily. Go to the furnace, and find the pilot valve, a box-shaped device into which the main gas line will run. So what I did was take the knob off, and with needle nosed pliers I turned the gas control valve stem to the pilot position, put the spring and knob temporarily back on and pushed it down and lit the pilot. Major of an appliance like this http: //www.midlandhardware.com/157481.html? gclid=CNjXnayo0b0CFROVfgodKgsA3A #.U0QkZfldV8E my. 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